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Question Bitrate vs Quality - 09-11-2008, 11:44 AM

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Is there any software that can analyse a track to determine true bitrate? For instance 320Kbps can be encoded from a lower bitrate file and appear (but not sound) like a 320Kbps track.

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Hi all

Is there any software that can analyse a track to determine true bitrate? For instance 320Kbps can be encoded from a lower bitrate file and appear (but not sound) like a 320Kbps track.

Cheers
Does this help?

http://www.aom3.org/forum/38457-post3.html
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09-11-2008, 11:57 PM

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Is there any software that can analyse a track to determine true bitrate? For instance 320Kbps can be encoded from a lower bitrate file and appear (but not sound) like a 320Kbps track.

Cheers
Didn't you answer your own question?
The best software is your ears.
You can tell when something sounds awful,no matter what the bitrate is.
If it sounds terrible,does it even matter what the bitrate is?

I just hate when people do this.
To re-encode to a higher bitrate from a lower one.
What a waste of time and space?
The only sure fix I have found for these types of files is right click>delete.
Then remember where you got it from and don't go back.
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Didn't you answer your own question?
The best software is your ears.
You can tell when something sounds awful,no matter what the bitrate is.
If it sounds terrible,does it even matter what the bitrate is?

I just hate when people do this.
To re-encode to a higher bitrate from a lower one.
What a waste of time and space?
The only sure fix I have found for these types of files is right click>delete.
Then remember where you got it from and don't go back.

Rolly, I agree with you,your ears are the best tool in this circumstance.

There are times though, that a original recording was not produced
well, and even a 320kbps is not going to help it sound any better......


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Rolly, I agree with you,your ears are the best tool in this circumstance.

There are times though, that a original recording was not produced
well, and even a 320kbps is not going to help it sound any better......
But for some it seems to be more a matter of principle (having a 320kbps file), rather than something their ears can actuall discern

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09-12-2008, 08:26 AM

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But for some it seems to be more a matter of principle (having a 320kbps file), rather than something their ears can actuall discern
I was getting pissed at some of the mixed bitrate stuff i've collected over the years and one day almost fell into the principle category but after messing around with some of my files, 192k & 320k sounded the same to me so I opted for the 192K and just keep an image of the disc handy.

While having the disc image is not very storage efficient, it makes restoration a snap! If I have a drive failure that wipes a chunk of my music, I can quickly recover it without having to drag all my CD's back out and add a few more scratches on accident


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09-12-2008, 11:06 AM

perrin, have a look at the last post here:

- http://www.aom3.org/forum/f10/bitrates-2394.html (Bitrates)

encspot lets you actually look inside the mp3 file, and if you then see
a solid bar at 128 with a file that is encoded at 320, something is wrong.

mp3val lets you easily check for files that have been tampered with, too.

you will be amazed how many files we all download that have incorrect
headers, mismatching length, and other inconsistencies. usually you might
not 'hear' anything, or not right away, but such files might not show up at
all in certain players, cannot be fast forwarded, break off towards the end,
and many of such inexplainable errors. mp3val fixes many of them, if not
all. run your entire directory thru it, and see ...

greets - henry

PS: one i havnt had a chance to try for a lengthier period is Audio Identifier '

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09-12-2008, 03:46 PM

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But for some it seems to be more a matter of principle (having a 320kbps file), rather than something their ears can actuall discern
for pretty much more than some, we could guess


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09-12-2008, 04:36 PM

well, enjoying, really enjoying music has little to do with the bit rate, only too
true. i can listen to a particular song, on a tiny speaker, and still, having heard it
100 times, get a tingle in my stomach. i can listen to obviously great artists, no
doubt, directly from a HD DVD, into a 6-$-digit stereo system, and it does sound
great - but no tingle. there goes the bitrate discussion ... to a degree.

you know that just thinking of some music can bring tears to my eyes? usually
those of joy ...

greets - henry

PS: a good example was the mentioning of Procol Harums Union Chapel recordings
a couple of days ago, right here. just thinking of that long version of AWSOP (which
i had not listended to a long time: it was a xmas present some 4 years ago) made
me, well, weak.

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