[Hirs Ute]

Seva, my experience is that you run a good site I have never personally found any problems with payment or the consequences thereof. Your other plus point is that you have always treated your customers courteously (except for that once when you were away and a member of your team handled a problem questionably but that's long ago history).

Sadly due to the actions of the RIAA & the IFPI you and your colleagues have to be creative in the way you manage payments and it is, indeed, a concern that a new member of this site uses their first post to call your site into question.

Your response is mainly measured as a justifiable defence of your site but using such profanity is out of character for you. Please edit the title of your response so as to maintain the good name of Soundsbox and so as not to cause offence to others. Thank you.

[Hirs Ute]

Originally Posted by ~bladerunner

Thanks for your very mature response Seva, you are a touchy one aren't you!
I've witnessed your response in another thread telling someone to "f**k off".
A great way to run a business.
I think you've answered my question anyway.
My friends and I won't be sending any more money your way and I shall make sure NOT to recommend you to anyone else.

A pleasant day to you!

Bladerunner simply by adding ** does not make your post acceptable in any way. Please mind you language. Thank you

[seva]

Originally Posted by Hirs Ute

Seva, my experience is that you run a good site I have never personally found any problems with payment or the consequences thereof. Your other plus point is that you have always treated your customers courteously (except for that once when you were away and a member of your team handled a problem questionably but that's long ago history).

Sadly due to the actions of the RIAA & the IFPI you and your colleagues have to be creative in the way you manage payments and it is, indeed, a concern that a new member of this site uses their first post to call your site into question.

Your response is mainly measured as a justifiable defence of your site but using such profanity is out of character for you. Please edit the title of your response so as to maintain the good name of Soundsbox and so as not to cause offence to others. Thank you.

I just dont like being called thief or fraudster, that's all... And this is what they did it



Seva

[~bladerunner]

Sorry you find the language offensive Hirs Ute, however if you read my post I was quoting this post from January this year.
I'm not in the habit of swearing on forums, I appreciate good manners.
Something it would seem Seva does not.
I certainly don't regard labelling me in the way Seva did as "Measured".
If people were to walk into a reputable High Street store and be insulted in such a way the company would be gamblling with their business and would probably end up on the front page news.
Regardless I can see you are all pals here.
You seem to see nothing wrong with verbally abusing people who have genuine concerns, not to mention apparently supporting "creative methods of payment transaction".
I hate the RIAA etc as much as the next man but we'll never change things by going down the route mentioned above.

[Hirs Ute]

Originally Posted by seva

I just dont like being thief or fraudster, that's all... And this is what they did it



Seva

Seva, whether you changed the title of your post or whether you asked Solaris to do it for you is neither here nor there but the edit is appreciated never the less.

The nature of the original post is questionable and most people would have taken the reasonable approach of PM'ing you or contacting Assistance on your site first before publicly posting such a complaint. If you had had the opportunity of responding to a PM or contact to your site I'm sure you would have responded swiftly.

[seva]

Originally Posted by Hirs Ute

Seva, whether you changed the title of your post or whether you asked Solaris to do it for you is neither here nor there but the edit is appreciated never the less.

The nature of the original post is questionable and most people would have taken the reasonable approach of PM'ing you or contacting Assistance on your site first before publicly posting such a complaint. If you had had the opportunity of responding to a PM or contact to your site I'm sure you would have responded swiftly.

Yes, youre right about that


seva

[solaris]

Originally Posted by ~bladerunner

Thanks for your very mature response Seva, you are a touchy one aren't you!
I've witnessed your response in another thread telling someone to "f**k off".
A great way to run a business.
I think you've answered my question anyway.
My friends and I won't be sending any more money your way and I shall make sure NOT to recommend you to anyone else.

A pleasant day to you!

Hi ~bladerunner.


I have just changed the title of seva's first reply to you. A title which was highly inappropriate and I want to apologize on behalf of the forum for this


But I don't think you'll find many here that would consider seva's counter tactics toward the credit card companies fraudulent. Those same credit card companies that bent over for the record industry, even when these shops were 100% legitimate.


In fact we have a whole thread regarding MemphisMembers payment, where our money to MP3Sparks goes through a Chinese cigarette company and we give advice to forum members as how to use this payment system.


These kind of gray zone tactics (by the shop owners) are somehow necessary and something we continue to support in our common fight against DRM, regional/terrestrial blocking of customers, high prices and lack of choice of file format and bit rates.


To round this up: By supporting these 'dodgy' shops (as you call them), we try to make the political statement (or consumer statement) that the music industry and the electronics device makers shouldn't be allowed to control how many times we want to listen to a song, burn it to a CD and/or which devices we want transfer it to.


Ten years after they should have started selling music online (without DRM, without territorial discrimination and at prices, which mirror the actual costs they have selling music online) the music industry are dying - and they can only blame themselves

[musterbkk]

I believe that whatever hapened Seva should at least try to find out what went wrong.

[solaris]

Originally Posted by musterbkk

I believe that whatever hapened Seva should at least try to find out what went wrong.

I don't think that anything other than ~bladerunner's bank for some odd reason noticed that he was buying music from a jeweler store and therefore stalled

[Hirs Ute]

Originally Posted by ~bladerunner

Sorry you find the language offensive Hirs Ute, however if you read my post I was quoting this post from January this year.
I'm not in the habit of swearing on forums, I appreciate good manners.
Something it would seem Seva does not.
I certainly don't regard labelling me in the way Seva did as "Measured".
If people were to walk into a reputable High Street store and be insulted in such a way the company would be gamblling with their business and would probably end up on the front page news.
Regardless I can see you are all pals here.
You seem to see nothing wrong with verbally abusing people who have genuine concerns, not to mention apparently supporting "creative methods of payment transaction".
I hate the RIAA etc as much as the next man but we'll never change things by going down the route mentioned above.

Hello Bladerunner and thanks for your post. Your suggestion that we're all pals here is not completely justified. A number of members have been using this forum for some time as has Seva and have developed a sense of trust. During that time Seva has earned a degree of trust with the forum members. If Seva were to abuse that trust the forum members would be down on him like a ton of bricks