[solaris]

Now the Australian government wants to hunt down and "kill" those dangerous music and movie pirates:

The Government will examine new legislative proposals being unveiled in Britain this week to target people who download films and music illegally. Internet service providers (ISPs) there might be legally required to take action against users who access pirated material.

Full article here: War on music piracy - Technology - smh.com.au

[Nightfly]

Originally Posted by solaris

Now the Australian government wants to hunt down and "kill" those dangerous music and movie pirates:



Full article here: War on music piracy - Technology - smh.com.au

I don't get it with these Governments..

Music is a crime..

But Porn and Gambling is flourishing.....go figure

[Dave C]

Originally Posted by Nightfly

I don't get it with these Governments..

Music is a crime..

But Porn and Gambling is flourishing.....go figure

The govenment (in the UK atleast) make a ton of money from gambling, so there is no surprise there and I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of the dodgy porn sites are pretty heavily monitored by the govenments. As for is music a crime, have you heard the latest Natasha Bedingfield album,
Cheers,
Dave C
Joking aside, unfortunately it's the guys with the money who donate to the govenments who make the laws

[squash54]

Originally Posted by solaris

Now the Australian government wants to hunt down and "kill" those dangerous music and movie pirates:



Full article here: War on music piracy - Technology - smh.com.au

Oz already has copyright laws that are even more draconian than those in the USA. Apart from a piddly litte exception regarding the recording of TV shows to watch later (time-shifting) there isn't even a "fair use" proviso as in the USA.

Don't be surprised if MIPI get what they are asking for. Government by "knee-jerk" is rife at both a Federal and State level here.

However, passing laws that are unenforced and/or unenforceable does nothing but erode public confidence and respect for both the rule of law and the law-makers.

[4ziggy]

In America, the highest wage earning band per year (consistently) was The Grateful Dead when Jerry Garcia walked the Earth.

This wasn't from record company revenues. And if you asked any of those hippies nicely, you can get a recording of the Grateful Dead's last show. So how did they earn all this money?

...from playing live shows. It took years (similar to Pearl Jam) to gather the crowds. But their music became a lifestyle where the fans lived on the road. It is the NOMAD way of life.

I think digital music is damaging to the Recording Industry because it enforces a sort of quality assurance. The days of one hit wonders is over, there will be no capitalizing of the $15-20 CD.

I do believe a band should get a fraction of the money from downloaded music, but why should we pay .99 cents per song? What if the song is an interlude or prequal to the next song? We are paying more than the CD without the marketed packaging.

...final thought, where would the recording industry be if they had a similar business plan to allofmp3? It would make like businesses non-existent and people would utilize the services instead of borrowing your friends hard drive. I much rather choose my bitrate than to take the time and effort to copy someone elses collection. And encrypted music does nothing good for the consumer; the catch 22 of public affairs.

[Nightfly]

Originally Posted by 4ziggy

In America, the highest wage earning band per year (consistently) was The Grateful Dead when Jerry Garcia walked the Earth.

This wasn't from record company revenues. And if you asked any of those hippies nicely, you can get a recording of the Grateful Dead's last show. So how did they earn all this money?

...from playing live shows. It took years (similar to Pearl Jam) to gather the crowds. But their music became a lifestyle where the fans lived on the road. It is the NOMAD way of life.

I think digital music is damaging to the Recording Industry because it enforces a sort of quality assurance. The days of one hit wonders is over, there will be no capitalizing of the $15-20 CD.

I do believe a band should get a fraction of the money from downloaded music, but why should we pay .99 cents per song? What if the song is an interlude or prequal to the next song? We are paying more than the CD without the marketed packaging.

...final thought, where would the recording industry be if they had a similar business plan to allofmp3? It would make like businesses non-existent and people would utilize the services instead of borrowing your friends hard drive. I much rather choose my bitrate than to take the time and effort to copy someone elses collection. And encrypted music does nothing good for the consumer; the catch 22 of public affairs.

4ziggy,

You are absolutely right about the Dead, they created good will among
their fans and their fans supported them.They gave their music away.
At every concert there was a area for recorders to capture the moment.

Creating goodwill among the masses is something the recording industry
will never figure out, as long as they are blinded by greed.

When Jerry was alive they were on the top of the Forbes earnings
for musical acts and their record sales were not that high.They were doing
something right ....it was called hard work and good will....

[squash54]

Originally Posted by 4ziggy

In America, the highest wage earning band per year (consistently) was The Grateful Dead when Jerry Garcia walked the Earth.

This wasn't from record company revenues. And if you asked any of those hippies nicely, you can get a recording of the Grateful Dead's last show. So how did they earn all this money?

...from playing live shows. It took years (similar to Pearl Jam) to gather the crowds. But their music became a lifestyle where the fans lived on the road. It is the NOMAD way of life.

I think digital music is damaging to the Recording Industry because it enforces a sort of quality assurance. The days of one hit wonders is over, there will be no capitalizing of the $15-20 CD.

I do believe a band should get a fraction of the money from downloaded music, but why should we pay .99 cents per song? What if the song is an interlude or prequal to the next song? We are paying more than the CD without the marketed packaging.

...final thought, where would the recording industry be if they had a similar business plan to allofmp3? It would make like businesses non-existent and people would utilize the services instead of borrowing your friends hard drive. I much rather choose my bitrate than to take the time and effort to copy someone elses collection. And encrypted music does nothing good for the consumer; the catch 22 of public affairs.

My kids don't spend much on CD's these days but both (along with 35,000 others) happily shelled out over $100 on the weekend to attend an all-day concert of what I understand were mainly indie bands.

[Hotcakes]

Originally Posted by squash54

Don't be surprised if MIPI get what they are asking for. Government by "knee-jerk" is rife at both a Federal and State level here

Perhaps for the last 12 years. The new government has a good chance to stand up for themselves now.. time will tell I suppose, but we have a better chance now for sense to succeed than we ever did on the Howard government...

[4ziggy]

Hey Hotcake,

Do you think your new government will back out of the Framework that the Howard Government has established with the Australian-United States Free Trade Agreement? I am not sure of all of the implications, but I have personally noticed a HUGE difference over the past few years.

In 2001 I visited Darwin, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney. Prices were low, the food was excellent; back when the US was getting taxed for their exports to you. And as a result, American prices were actually lower on the shelf. Just this last year (2007), I went to Sydney and Darwin and prices for food had doubled. The same with the pricetag on the shelves of grocery stores. And I noticed more American products than before...seemed weird to me. But I am guessing that Australia is reaping less capitalization of American products exported there.

That's not even talking about the effects of censorship and itellectual propery right laws of the US being extended to Australia. And not abiding by the 'rules' ends up taxing exports or limiting imports therefore rising prices more. I hope that the AUS-FTA does get rescinded in the name of humanity.

I do not agree with the politics of a Free Market. And though many of those who believe in a Free Market (In America) are right wing Conservatives, the true definition is that they are left wing liberals. To me, to be Conservative is to have a moral sense and good will to do what is right in the name of humanity. But we too are going through a regime change. I would love the Green Party to lead the way, but since that is not possible...let's hope that McCain gets in there. An ex military guy, ex POW and has a great sensibility about himself. He does not pretend to know all, though he is probably the best qualified.

That is it for politics...I apologize.

~Zig

[Nightfly]

Originally Posted by 4ziggy

Hey Hotcake,

Do you think your new government will back out of the Framework that the Howard Government has established with the Australian-United States Free Trade Agreement? I am not sure of all of the implications, but I have personally noticed a HUGE difference over the past few years.

In 2001 I visited Darwin, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney. Prices were low, the food was excellent; back when the US was getting taxed for their exports to you. And as a result, American prices were actually lower on the shelf. Just this last year (2007), I went to Sydney and Darwin and prices for food had doubled. The same with the pricetag on the shelves of grocery stores. And I noticed more American products than before...seemed weird to me. But I am guessing that Australia is reaping less capitalization of American products exported there.

That's not even talking about the effects of censorship and itellectual propery right laws of the US being extended to Australia. And not abiding by the 'rules' ends up taxing exports or limiting imports therefore rising prices more. I hope that the AUS-FTA does get rescinded in the name of humanity.

I do not agree with the politics of a Free Market. And though many of those who believe in a Free Market (In America) are right wing Conservatives, the true definition is that they are left wing liberals. To me, to be Conservative is to have a moral sense and good will to do what is right in the name of humanity. But we too are going through a regime change. I would love the Green Party to lead the way, but since that is not possible...let's hope that McCain gets in there. An ex military guy, ex POW and has a great sensibility about himself. He does not pretend to know all, though he is probably the best qualified.

That is it for politics...I apologize.

~Zig

Zig

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