[solaris]

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1976):


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

[Hirs Ute]

Originally Posted by solaris

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1976):


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Yes, very to the point and very relevant.
Thank you Solaris for reminding us why we're here

[Nightfly]

I have seen this before, and you made me realize how far reaching
this poignant recitation is...one day we will turn around and the freedoms
we enjoyed on the internet will be gone and taken away...if we don't act and speak out now.Glad to be a part of that in some way.
Thanks..

[Diana Hill]

I read an article few days ago about the evolution of information media. Internet is the latest media and I am so glad that until now it is still working as it should be. The previous media, such as television and radio, were easier to be controlled. But internet, I don't think anyone can fully control it. All people from every society level can speak up their opinion. Thanks God we're living in this modern age

[squash54]

Originally Posted by solaris

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1976):


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

No censorship, Solaris?
Nothing?
Everything and anything goes?

Who was it who said:

"I'll agree you are free to say what you like, as long as you agree I am free to shoot you for saying it."

Cheers,

Squash

[mehrens2112]

Originally Posted by solaris

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1976):


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Very powerful quote. I am placing this on my email signature to replace my Walt Disney quote.

[pcspecialist]

I agree, we should fight censorship but then again, how do we go about stopping the spread of child porn, snuff flicks, and other heinous crimes? I'm not saying censorship is the answer in these cases and believe censorship may actually hinder processing the real criminals. What I am saying is that somehow there needs to be a way to prevent the internet for being used for making a profit off heinous crimes.

[viracocha]

Originally Posted by pcspecialist

I agree, we should fight censorship but then again, how do we go about stopping the spread of child porn, snuff flicks, and other heinous crimes? I'm not saying censorship is the answer in these cases and believe censorship may actually hinder processing the real criminals. What I am saying is that somehow there needs to be a way to prevent the internet for being used for making a profit off heinous crimes.

Hi pcspecialist and welcome to the forum


The MAFIAA boys were (unfortunately) successful in lobbying/bribing/pressuring the US and Russian government into closing down AllOfMP3 - but even if I didn't like that (because there is such a VAST difference between an online music store, which is considered legal in its home country and 'people' spreading child pornography), then I suppose this is the way to go:


Governments in unity putting pressure on other governments into closing down sites that host something that (hopefully) is considered illegal in ALL countries around the world.


Censoring the Internet by blocking it at back bone or DNS level surely isn't the way to go, since the former most likely will hurt other perfectly legal sites from being reached by many of their potential visitors and the latter so easily is circumvented by those, who really want to access that kind of stuff

[tomhr]

Originally Posted by pcspecialist

I agree, we should fight censorship but then again, how do we go about stopping the spread of child porn, snuff flicks, and other heinous crimes? I'm not saying censorship is the answer in these cases and believe censorship may actually hinder processing the real criminals. What I am saying is that somehow there needs to be a way to prevent the internet for being used for making a profit off heinous crimes.

I think all the outrage by our leaders about "child porn" is to stampede us into giving up our liberties. Ever notice, that when someone wants to do something really outrageous, they bring "children" into it? Because who's going to stand up and say, "No, I oppose your policy, to hell with the children!" I once saw a Nazi propaganda poster that showed a Jewish child molester offering candy to a fresh-faced blond German girl -- the Nazi-poster caption, IIRC, was "We have to stop him!" Attorney General Gonzalez wanted to be granted all sorts of legal powers to spy on, and control, the Internet, supposedly to fight child porn. The New York attorney general wants to make ISPs lock out the entire alt.* Usenet group, supposedly to frustrate pedophiles -- but that also blocks people from going to alt.politics, alt.religion, and alt.impeach.bush.

How do we stop child porn? The same way they did in the 1960s, before the Internet was invented -- by dogged police work and getting warrants. If it's hard to arrest pedophiles, it's hard to arrest innocent people. It's the price you pay in a free society.

Plus, Bushie chose a _horse breeder_ to run the Federal Emergency Management Agency -- and I'm supposed to trust that I won't get spied on by Bushie's pick for the FBI, just because I don't deserve to be?

And how the hell do you even _find_ a snuff film anyway? I think they're an urban legend.